SARS and the New Epidemics (with Eileen Nauman)

September 1, 2005

by Text of NCH On-Line Chat

Tuesday, September 13th 2005

Kristy: Welcome, Eileen Nauman, author of many books, including Homeopathy for Epidemics, Poisons That Heal, Homeopathy 9-1-1, and Beauty in Bloom: Homeopathy to Support Menopause.

The local newspaper reported 2 weeks ago that Avian Flu has been found in Siberia. Do you know if it has spread farther east?

EileenNauman: I get daily reports from PROmed which is out of Harvard Medical Univ. and it is continuing to move east. I envision it moving with the bird migrations which will not only go east, but also south into the Middle East and Mediterranean area where these birds who carry the virus go for winter grounds.

EileenNauman: I might add anyone can get PROmed, which is the world epidemic list and excellent. It tracks anything that can become epidemic.

EileenNauman: I believe this is the PROmed URL http://www.promedmail.org

Kristy: It is interesting that there is concurrently an *outbreak* of a new type of canine influenza, which appears to have crossed over from horses, according to researchers at the U. of Florida Vet School in Gainesville. I have read that the vets are begging people NOT to use the equine vaccines on dogs as they are causing serious problems. They're struggling to understand how it crossed over before they can develop a new vaccine.

EileenNauman: I have treated a lot of animals over the years, inlcuding feline distemper. A person must take the case and observe, the best they can, the animal's sx's. And since animals cannot talk to us like humans can, very often we have to make a guess between the top 3 or 4 remedies and keep trying them. And I would strongly suggest LOW potency like a 6C or 12C for a sick animal to begin with. Also, we do have a homeopathic vet organization, thank goodness, and they have a website people can go to http://www.ahvma.org

Patrick: Eileen - can you comment on the prospects conventional medicines and vaccines in helping treat the Avian (and canine) flu?

EileenNauman: Flu or influenza is a virus from a family of viruses and viruses are well known to replicate and change in hours or days so I'm not surprised at all.

EileenNauman: Hi Patrick I don't have a CLUE as to what traditional medicines are available. I would tell people to talk to their vets. I'm a homeopath, not a traditional medical doctor.

Patrick: So then, can you give us a perspective of what this looks like from a homeopathic perspective? Is there enough information to start homing in on remedies?

EileenNauman: As to conventional drugs, anyone can go to http://www.cdc.gov and it will tell you about the viral drugs that are available for flu. There are 2 viral drugs on the market and neither seem to work very well with SARS or Chicken-Bird Flu as they have found. Again, this info is very available at CDC and they are constantly updating it. My job is to figure out, based upon very poor general information on SARS and chicken flu symptoms (sx's) what homeopathic remedies MIGHT be of help. Of course we won't know which ones will really be viable until we begin treating SARS or Chicken Flu in the trenches with our clients.

Kristy: Have the homeopathic manufacturers come up with a nosode yet, to your knowledge?

Patrick: What symptoms have you been able to pick up, if any, of the avian flu, that might point toward some remedies? ?

EileenNauman: The only SARS or chicken Flu remedy I have heard of is not a nosode to my knowledge. However, things on the world homeopathic Rx scene change daily, and I don't pretend to know it all. Right now, I know of no known SARS or chicken flu nosode homeopathic remedy. I'm sure that will change when SARS or chicken flu client comes to a homeopath who is smart enough to make a remedy out of the expectoration, blood or whatever, of such a client.

EileenNauman: I don't get into whether vaccines are viable or not. I'm a ground-pounding, in-the-trenches homeopath. I've seen what Hanta Virus has done in my own back yard. I know the fear of thousands of people south of the Navajo Nation who were calling homeopaths wanting to be saved--even if they didn't have Hanta Virus. What it forced me as an AZ homeopath at that time, was to look for remedies that MIGHT address it, based upon sx's of survivors and this we did. If people want to use a vaccine I'm not going to stop them. That's not my job. My job is to treat people with symptoms who are looking for homeopathy to help support as a secondary way or as a primary way--with or without the use of a vaccine being in place or traditionals drugs beings used or not. Homeopathy can work with traditional medicine and drugs and work through vaccinations.

Kristy: In your position paper on the NCH website, you mention Tuberculinum aviaire. Are any US-based manufacturers carrying it yet?

EileenNauman: Here are Bird Flu Sxs: fever, cough, sore throat, conjunctivitis, muscle aches. [See Link to List of Symptoms]. I just got Tuber av. from Hahnemann Labs in San Rafael, California, and if people want this remedy, they can call 1-888-427-6422--toll free within the USA to Hahnemann Labs

Diana Kehlmann: Eileen: you said you were on the Navaho reservation when the Hanta Virus attacked. Can you think now, in retrospect, what might have helped. It is the usual flu/highfever/bronchial and lung congestion or are there other helpful rubrics?????????

EileenNauman: Hi Diana. I wrote a book, Poisons That Heal, that talked about all the Hanta Virus symptoms. Now, this info is also in my new book, Homeopathy for Epidemics. And unfortunately, many of the SARS-Chicken Flu vrius symptoms in general are the SAME. Which makes it tough to flesh out specific remedies. You can't get specific remedies on general symptoms. Sometimes you get lucky and then you can.

EileenNauman: Also I might add that it was an interesting turn of the screw after the Hanta Virus hit the Southwest. As a homeopath I saw an amping up of upper respiratoryflu and I watched, along with other homeopaths over a five year period, as the upper respiratory sx's got worse and more intense until people, within 48 hours of contracting ANY type of flu, had pneumonia and were having to be treated for it in ER or going to the hospital. We saw that Belladonna, if given soon enough, stopped it. And if the full blown pneumonia sx's were there, to give Hepar Sulph 30C on a 30 minute basis until the sx's eased and gradually cleared rather quickly. That is why these two remedies are in my Eileen Nauman Kit #4 that goes with my new book, Homeopathy for Epidemics, are in there. This Kit #4 is designed for today's flu and epidemic threats. And it is available through Hahnemann Labs

Renee: After reading about Eileen's experience and determination to be prepared, I've ordered Tuberculinum Aviaire in various potencies and printed out the symptoms which were included on this website. I want to ask whether you agree that there is only one disease, the so-called SARS, and how do we approach the situation of an epidemic as homeopaths, often working outside the conventional support systems?

EileenNauman: Hi Renee. Unfortunately SARS and Chicken Flu are ever mobile and changing viruses. In Chicken flu alone they have over 20 different mutations. So the answer is the only thing we can count on is change and watching as these virus types infect a person, if the CDC or someone else in the field, is putting down the notes on the symptoms. And as a homeopath I always hope the symptoms are detailed but usually they are not--they are almost always generalized.

Kristy: Re epidemics along the Gulf Coast, they are finally mentioning the *C* word, Cholera. What other messes should we be alert to?

EileenNauman: You know this is funny. When 9/11 hit, I had over 100 phone calls from frantic, panicked homeopaths and people who had read my book on what to do. Trust me, when the epidemic comes, everyone will wish they had been here tonight to ask questions or get prepared. Isn't that how it always go? chuckle

EileenNauman: Kristy, dysentery is the biggee. Cholera is just amped up diarrhea. Worse. There's all kinds of toxic bacteria in the water. I'm working behind the scenes with two people who are wanting to use homeopathy to help the survivors. Whether they have yet or not, I haven't heard. I gave them a list of remedies for dysentery based upon Dr. Colin B. Lessell's wonderful book called The World Travellers' Manual of Homeopathy. I highly recommend it because he covers all these problems that the survivors of Katrina may encounter.

Kristy: Yes, Lessell's book is excellent

EileenNauman: Lessell's book should be on EVERYONE's shelf who loves homeopathy and is utilizing it. Every prof. homeopath should have this book, without question.

Patrick: Eileen - in case it disappeared, I think we haven't fully answered the question about how homeopaths can work together on this, and what the prospects might be for working with conventional practitioners? ?

EileenNauman: Well, I can't answer for everyone. But I work with MD's all the time without a problem. But the MD's I know respect alt. medicine and we see ourselves as a TEAM on behalf of the disaster to help relieve suffering. That is our ONLY objective. We're not in the trenches fighting over health philosophy.

Kristy: The NCH website has an *epidemic* site which of course will be activated for each and every epidemic that comes along. There are other sites and blogs!

EileenNauman: Yes, and I contributed to the NCH epidemic site with a couple of cases. I think that's a great idea where homeopaths can see what remedies for the Genus Epidemicus are. Stlll, my experience shows that certain remedies work in certain areas. Don't ask me why.

Robert Lee Dalpe, ND: Hello, Eileen. I proposed the use of Tub. aviare a couple of years ago via my website for Bird Flu. http://www.OnlineHomeopath.com/. Do you have any direct experience with the use of the remedy either therapeutically or prophylactially? Or do you know anyone who has?

EileenNauman: Hi Robert. No, I have no personal experience with it nor do I know of a homeopath who has. Also, there's a caution to using Tub. av in my opinion. It is for BACTERIAL not viruses, if you note that from the materia medica. So, my question is and will continue to be--will a bacterial homeo nosode remedy made from diseased chicken lung still work on a VIRAL flu upper respiratory sx's or not? That's something I'd like to find out. Do you know? Tuber av. is made from lungs of a chicken that had mycobacterium tuberculosis

Robert Lee Dalpe: Thank you, Eileen. No, I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question. I think if the remedy is similar enough to the disease it should work whether it is a viral or bacterial disease...but I don't have any direct clinical experience with Bird Flu at this point.

Diana: Comment: I've been in s.f. working with refugees the past couple of days. Dystentery is with us! Don't know how I can introduce homeopathy into this situation. Frustrating!

EileenNauman: Hi Diana. I know and understand. When the Hanta Virus broke out we wanted to help but all the victims of it were in hospitals and we couldn't just waltz in there and say, hey, we wanna help with a homeopathic remedy. Sad but true, and I do understand your frustration.

Jean Hoagland: Eileen, will you please keep me or the NCH office posted on anything at all that you hear about the use of homeopathy in caring for those persons in need after Katrina? Thanks. We'd love to be able to get in there and show what homeopathy can do, but haven't made the jump through restrictions yet. We have an ND in Louisiana who wants to set up a clinic - can't as yet.

EileenNauman: I can contact these people--maybe--they're in the field now and out of touch. When they check in, I'll give them your name.

EileenNauman: Also, I think when the pandemic hits, and I believe it will this winter andearly spring, that people who know about homeopathy are the ones who will use it. We aren't going to be able to help a lot of people...maybe some neighbors or others or friends but it isn't going to be a wide circle. It's like knowing something that will help when 99% of the rest of the world doesn't even realize it exists. It's a frustrating place to be but over the years I've gotten to accept this philosophy. You can only help those who ask for it or who know about it and you can reach them. In an epidemic, transmission stops a lot of people from gathering in a place where you might be able to help many. It's just unfortunate but the reality as I see it.

Patrick: Let's say that we have a genus epidemicus (or a couple) identified - do you have a recommended regimen apart from go low, go slow (how slow?)?

EileenNauman: This past flu year here in AZ we saw the use of Belladonna for the swift, sudden onset and then Phosphorus as the main remedy if they didn't get Belladonna. I saw from other cases posted on NCH epidemic that there were other remedies in other areas, however. I wonder if more Belladonna-Phosphorus people live in the Southwest? Just a thought to ponder...different remedy types live in different places? I've always thought that.

EileenNauman: When the Bird Flu first erupted in Hong Kong in the late 90's I tried very hard to get a hold of an English-speaking Chinese person in HK to get the Sx's. We got close, but in the end, the guy was afraid to go over and talk to the person who had it. I knew then that Chicken Flu was a key player for epidemics to come and unfortunately, I've been proven right.

Kristy: Safari is newer than the instructions, probably the best for MAC users.... thank you very much for all this information. We really appreciate it. The cleaned up transcript of this Chat will be posted on the NCH website by the end of the week.

EileenNauman: I would like to entertain the thought that people seeing this transcript would have my email address and could send me their question and I could answer and send them on to you, Kristie? To cut and paste into the transcript? What do you think?

Kristy: Yes, thank you Eileen! And thank you, participants, for asking some good questions.